Comments on: All in the Family http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/ Holding Our Noses So You Don't Have To Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:35:06 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: WILL MORMONS VOTE IN SATAN OR RON PAUL? « WHY ORGANIC http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/comment-page-1/#comment-10807 WILL MORMONS VOTE IN SATAN OR RON PAUL? « WHY ORGANIC Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:21:36 +0000 http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/#comment-10807 [...] leading Republican contenders have committed adultery (adding to a list of negatives) which should be enough for any smart Latter-day Saint to disqualify [...] [...] leading Republican contenders have committed adultery (adding to a list of negatives) which should be enough for any smart Latter-day Saint to disqualify [...]

]]> By: Connor’s Conundrums » Why Do Latter-day Saints Ignore Ron Paul? http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/comment-page-1/#comment-554 Connor’s Conundrums » Why Do Latter-day Saints Ignore Ron Paul? Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:18:35 +0000 http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/#comment-554 [...] Other leading Republican contenders have committed adultery (adding to a list of negatives) which should be enough for any smart Latter-day Saint to disqualify such a person for this nation’s most powerful position. Clearly any sleazy politician with such latent moral ambiguity is not the proper person to guide this divinely-established nation. [...] [...] Other leading Republican contenders have committed adultery (adding to a list of negatives) which should be enough for any smart Latter-day Saint to disqualify such a person for this nation’s most powerful position. Clearly any sleazy politician with such latent moral ambiguity is not the proper person to guide this divinely-established nation. [...]

]]> By: andreas04: close to attraction http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/comment-page-1/#comment-529 andreas04: close to attraction Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:19:44 +0000 http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/#comment-529 [...] One thing observers of the fight for the Republican presidential nomination have to wonder about is who the Christian right will vote for.  Rudy Giuliani is leading John McCain in most polls, and neither of them really has their Christian right bona fides in order, what with their multiple marriages, Giuliani’s pro-gay-rights, pro-choice history, McCain’s poor relationship with Christian conservatives in 2000 and thereafter, and so on into the night. [...] [...] One thing observers of the fight for the Republican presidential nomination have to wonder about is who the Christian right will vote for.  Rudy Giuliani is leading John McCain in most polls, and neither of them really has their Christian right bona fides in order, what with their multiple marriages, Giuliani’s pro-gay-rights, pro-choice history, McCain’s poor relationship with Christian conservatives in 2000 and thereafter, and so on into the night. [...]

]]> By: The Right’s Field » McCain, Giuliani Losing Electability http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/comment-page-1/#comment-450 The Right’s Field » McCain, Giuliani Losing Electability Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:13:43 +0000 http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/#comment-450 [...] Singer thinks it is the downward trend - and not the gross numbers - for the top-tier Republican candidates that is most important in comparison to the Democratic numbers, which hold strong. While I agree that these numbers likely reflect a generic advantage for Democrats going into 2008, I think the shift in support is more likely connected to people getting to know McCain and Giuliani better and just not liking what they see. McCain is hated by the religious right and is a main proponent of escalating an unpopular war. Giuliani is considered too socially moderate for the Republican base and his recent propensity to equate New York City and Baghdad is pissing off more than a few voters. Both have marital histories littered with adultery, multiple marriages, and in Giuliani’s case, a borderline incestuous marriage. [...] [...] Singer thinks it is the downward trend – and not the gross numbers – for the top-tier Republican candidates that is most important in comparison to the Democratic numbers, which hold strong. While I agree that these numbers likely reflect a generic advantage for Democrats going into 2008, I think the shift in support is more likely connected to people getting to know McCain and Giuliani better and just not liking what they see. McCain is hated by the religious right and is a main proponent of escalating an unpopular war. Giuliani is considered too socially moderate for the Republican base and his recent propensity to equate New York City and Baghdad is pissing off more than a few voters. Both have marital histories littered with adultery, multiple marriages, and in Giuliani’s case, a borderline incestuous marriage. [...]

]]> By: Matt Browner Hamlin http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/comment-page-1/#comment-423 Matt Browner Hamlin Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:27:51 +0000 http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/#comment-423 Giuliani's second cousin marriage was weird enough that his lack of permission to have it from the Church was <a href="http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0212072giuliani1.html" rel="nofollow">grounds for his annulment</a>: <blockquote>That weirdness, aides reported, stemmed from Giuliani's 14-year marriage to his second cousin, a union that he got annulled by claiming to have never received proper dispensation from the Catholic Church for the unorthodox nuptials</blockquote> It's not a question of it being "illegal." It's weird. It's borderline incest and is a type of marriage so rare that it would be subject to approval or disapproval from the Catholic Church to move forward. Giuliani’s second cousin marriage was weird enough that his lack of permission to have it from the Church was grounds for his annulment:

That weirdness, aides reported, stemmed from Giuliani’s 14-year marriage to his second cousin, a union that he got annulled by claiming to have never received proper dispensation from the Catholic Church for the unorthodox nuptials

It’s not a question of it being “illegal.” It’s weird. It’s borderline incest and is a type of marriage so rare that it would be subject to approval or disapproval from the Catholic Church to move forward.

]]> By: Matt Ortega http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/comment-page-1/#comment-418 Matt Ortega Wed, 14 Feb 2007 03:31:26 +0000 http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/#comment-418 I do not agree with attacking his religion outright the same way I would not agree with anybody attacking an openly atheist candidate. (Though I doubt we will see that anytime soon. Buddhists and Muslims are giving Republicans heart attacks. Can you imagine an <em>actual</em> godless person running for office?) I do not agree with attacking his religion outright the same way I would not agree with anybody attacking an openly atheist candidate. (Though I doubt we will see that anytime soon. Buddhists and Muslims are giving Republicans heart attacks. Can you imagine an actual godless person running for office?)

]]> By: Emms http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/comment-page-1/#comment-417 Emms Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:43:07 +0000 http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/#comment-417 “The biggest difference between Mitt Romney and the other candidates,” she said, is that Mitt has “only had one wife.” -yeah, except he's the only one whose religion traditionally (until they had a "convenient" epiphany) approves of however many wives he wants. In fact, Mormonism original taught that a man could not enter heaven unless he had a whole peck of wives. So where does SHE get off anyway? Oh, I was so hoping for a Romney run. Mormonism is so effed up and a little light shed on it will be like the religious circus freaks coming to town to entertain us all, for free, even. “The biggest difference between Mitt Romney and the other candidates,” she said, is that Mitt has “only had one wife.”

-yeah, except he’s the only one whose religion traditionally (until they had a “convenient” epiphany) approves of however many wives he wants. In fact, Mormonism original taught that a man could not enter heaven unless he had a whole peck of wives. So where does SHE get off anyway?

Oh, I was so hoping for a Romney run. Mormonism is so effed up and a little light shed on it will be like the religious circus freaks coming to town to entertain us all, for free, even.

]]> By: Matt Ortega http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/comment-page-1/#comment-416 Matt Ortega Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:03:55 +0000 http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/#comment-416 The second cousin thing is also just a fact of his life. And there are <a href="http://www.cousincouples.com/" rel="nofollow">support groups</a> out there, too... The second cousin thing is also just a fact of his life. And there are support groups out there, too…

]]> By: C McCallum http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/comment-page-1/#comment-412 C McCallum Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:50:03 +0000 http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/#comment-412 Marrying your second cousin is not illegal anywhere in the United States, is commonplace in much of Europe, and is (as far as I can make out) illegal mainly in sub-Saharan Africa. I don't know why the Church would have annulled his marriage, either, because I don't think it bans second-cousin marriage anymore. I'm pretty sure they ended that ban early in the last century, before Rudy and his cousin were born. I'm neither married to my cousin nor a Rudy fan. His adulterous affair and multiple marriages qualify him for the values-hypocrite label, but the second-cousin thing is a red herring. Marrying your second cousin is not illegal anywhere in the United States, is commonplace in much of Europe, and is (as far as I can make out) illegal mainly in sub-Saharan Africa. I don’t know why the Church would have annulled his marriage, either, because I don’t think it bans second-cousin marriage anymore. I’m pretty sure they ended that ban early in the last century, before Rudy and his cousin were born.

I’m neither married to my cousin nor a Rudy fan. His adulterous affair and multiple marriages qualify him for the values-hypocrite label, but the second-cousin thing is a red herring.

]]> By: Matt Ortega http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/comment-page-1/#comment-409 Matt Ortega Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:06:51 +0000 http://rightsfield.com/2007/02/13/all-in-the-family/#comment-409 Romney is probably the biggest phony in the race right now. Romney is probably the biggest phony in the race right now.

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